Review: Walter Mosley is back at it with DOWN THE RIVER UNTO THE SEA

Walter Mosley is one of the most prolific mystery writers working today — this is his 53rd book. Crime Fiction Coordinator Scott Montgomery reviewed his latest ahead of his event here Saturday, March 3rd, at 6pm

No matter what genre or subgenre Walter Mosley brings to us, you can always expect it to be smart and have a voice. His use of style conveys emotion and thought to connect the individual protagonist with his larger society, connecting the reader to it all. With Down The River Unto The Sea we get a new detective and different style, but the voice is there.

Joe “King” Oliver operates a little one man agency in New York with his teen daughter Aja acting as a gal Friday. Two cases come his way. One involves getting an activist known as The Free Man off death row for killing two police officers. The other ties to his past, connected to a woman who helped frame him for a sexual assault charge that got him bounced off the force.

This may all sound familiar, but Mosley weaves it into a prescient novel. King appears to be the least angst ridden of Mosley’s detective heroes, resembling more of Hammett’s Sam Spade than Chandler’s world weary Marlowe who his Easy Rawlins often reflects. Even the tighter prose style reflects Hammett, making it even more effective when the character drops some knowledge at the end of a paragraph. Oliver’s attitude and actions beautifully entwine, particularly when they seem to run counter to each other.

As always, the author uses setting perfectly, though it is different from the shadow societies created by the people the mainstream has pushed to the side. King inhabits an increasingly gentrified New York with unwashed nooks and crannies in the form of diners and dive bars he ducks into for information and salvation. While races mingle it is on tectonic plates that could shift any minute.


In this book, Mosley tries to hold out on the theme until the climax, or at least appears to. As he uncovers the mystery and the deeds of his former fellow boys in blue, he faces harsher truths, 

and the reader is presented with harsher questions about living in today’s world. He is driven to make a decision that asks how far we will go in correcting an injustice when it is perpetrated by institutions that are supposed to provide justice. While King’s decision provides a satisfying arc that doesn’t betray the character, Mosley still asks us to question it.

Mosley takes many tried and true tropes of the detective genre and molds them into a tale for our times. When we feel a need to mobilize with the oligarchs gaining more ground, he asks us how far are we willing to take the fight. We may need that tarnished knight errant to go down those mean streets more than ever.


Matthew and Meike Talk Laura Lippman’s Sunburn

Meike Alana:  Matthew, I loved this book so much!  I think my favorite thing was the pacing–the story unfolded slowly, yet I was completely hooked from the beginning because I knew something good was coming.  What was your favorite aspect of Sunburn and what made you want to read it?

Image result for laura lippmanMatthew Turbeville: At first, I was skeptical of how much I would love this book.  My favorite has always been After I’m Gone, but knowing Laura as well as I know her (on both a personal and professional level), I believed in her wholeheartedly.  Needless to say, the book blew me away.  She made it as compact as a James M. Cain novel, as expansive as a Larry McMurtry epic, and as real as anything else she’s ever written.  I think the best part about this book is the more I read it, the more I become entranced with it.  I’ve read it several times now and I still can’t get over how great this novel is.

Meike:  I thought Laura Lippman’s use of setting (a small, sort of second rate town that vacationers only pass through) and time period (mid 1990’s) was masterful. How do you think those contributed to the story?

Matthew: It’s so different from a lot of her other novels, which are set primarily in or around Baltimore.  Of course, there’s some reason it’s set in Delaware that hopefully I’ll understand one day but am too absorbed with the plot of the novel to bother with at the moment.  I thought it was interesting because it paints this picture of a woman who has abandoned her children and this small-town feel only contributes to that, if you get what I mean.

Matthew:  How did you relate to Polly inside the novel? I know that she is an incredibly complicated character, as most of Laura Lippman’s characters tend to be.  What did you think of her as someone who might abandon her child–and then that ultimate twist–but no spoilers!

Meike: As a mom, I could not conceive of walking away from my child.  And the way Polly did it was so abrupt and final–she had planned the beach vacation specifically so she could get away from her family in a way that would make it very difficult to be found, which left her little girl devastated.  So my initial reaction was that this woman was a monster; I found her actions abhorrent.  That said, Lippman portrays her in a way that made you want to want to like her; you keep reading,  hoping for a sign that she had a good reason for her actions. It was absolutely masterful the way Lippman makes the reader sympathetic to Polly’s plight.

Meike:  Your turn–what did you think of Polly?

Matthew: I thought she was a person.  Incredibly complicated, incredibly unique, incredibly just incredible.  I wanted to know more about her from the beginning–I wanted to know her history and I wanted to put all of the pieces together, but obviously I didn’t get those answers until the very end (which is why readers should stay tuned!).

Meike: Adam is an equally complicated character.  What are your thoughts on how he conducted a relationship with Polly, never coming clean about his reasons for approaching her in the first place? Do you think his motivations changed as the story progressed?

Matthew: I would say his motivations changed as the story progressed (not that I want to give away his initial motivations before the readers gets ahold of his or her copy!).  I think that Laura Lippman is really gifted at very elegantly creating complicated characters–and in under 80,000 words, too! She has created a masterpiece on par with some of the greatest noir pieces, and she has created characters that I can come to again and again (as I have!).

Matthew: What was your opinion on Adam, Meike?

Meike:  I agree, Matthew, I think he changed. It’s really hard to talk to you about this without giving too much away!  I think it’s safe to say that both he and Polly continued to keep their secrets, but their reasons for keeping those secrets changed and perhaps made them become more sympathetic.

Meike: I know we don’t want to give any spoilers, but that ending!  Did you see that coming?

Matthew: You’re right.  I don’t want to give away any spoilers.  Without saying too much, I will say that the ending was sort of a jaw-dropper for me.  But a lot of Laura Lippman books are like that.  She not only knows how to tug at your heartstrings, but also twist your mind so you never know what to expect from the story she’s telling.  And ultimately, I feel this is a very feminist novel, about a woman caught in a very tough position who wants the best for herself and, well, I’ll leave it at that.

Matthew: What did you think, Meike?

Meike:  You’re so right, it was mind-blowing.  It was completely unexpected, and sometimes when that happens in a book it feel contrived. But here, Lippman made all the pieces fit and it was just perfect.

Meike:  One of our passions at MysteryPeople is to be matchmakers between writers and readers.  Who would you recommend Sunburn to?  Readers of what other books and/or writers?

Matthew: I think this book is for everyone.  Everyone.  I think that men can learn from it, women can heal from it (and some men, too).  I know I have healed from reading the book time and time again as well.  Any feminist should love this book.  It makes some really powerful statements.  Also, on a more basic level, anyone who loves a great suspense or noir novel would really love Sunburn.

Matthew: What about you Meike? Who would you recommend this book to?

Meike: As long as the reader isn’t looking for a cozy mystery or in international thriller, I think anyone would love this book! While the plot is pretty intricate, it’s not too complicated for the casual reader to follow and the pacing is spot on. Lippman has put a group of interesting, complex characters into a dramatic setting and unspooled an original tale of secrets and lies.  Sunburn is just a perfect choice for MysteryPeople’s “Pick of the Month” for February!

Under Her Skin: The Lisa Unger Interview You’ve Been Waiting For

Lisa Unger is the author of sixteen, soon-to-be seventeen, novels of crime and suspense, including The Red Hunter.  An international best-seller, she is acclaimed by critics and fans alike.  Ms. Unger agreed to sit down with MysteryPeople’s Matthew Turbeville for a candid chat, and we are so excited for the results. 

Matthew Turbeville: Hi Lisa! Welcome to MysteryPeople. We love your writing here.  First, off, I’d like to ask how you got your start in writing.

Lisa Unger: Thank you so much, Matthew! I can’t tell you how much I appreciate all your support. I feel like I know you!

Most writers are born and not made. I honestly don’t remember a time before I defined myself that way. But like most writers, I was a reader first.  When I was young, my family moved around a lot. So, often the new kid, often the odd one out, I found a home in books and the written word.

Image result for lisa ungerFor readers, it probably stops there – they’re content to disappear into worlds created by others. But I remember thinking: If somebody else can so completely transport me with their words, I wonder if I can do the same for someone else? How many stories are there in me?

I’ve been writing since childhood – short stories, poetry, plays. Most of my education was devoted to learning and honing my craft, and it was in college when I began my first novel. But, as for most novelists, the road from those early pages to my first published novel is long and twisting.

MT: Who are your favorite mystery writers? What authors do you turn to for inspiration?

LU: Some of the best people writing today are writing crime fiction – I’m sure you agree. My list of beloved authors is so long, I don’t even know where to begin.

Tess Gerritsen, Lisa Gardner, and Karin Slaughter are women I so admire as writers and people.  They get better with every book. It’s inspirational because I, too, strive to be a better writer every day, hoping that each book is better than my last.

Authors that never fail to transport me include Dennis Lehane, Laura Lippman, Gregg Hurwitz, Megan Abbott, Kate Atkinson (I think she has a new one coming out!), Donna Tartt …  More favorites: Alafair Burke (reading her new one now! Love it!), Sara Blaedel, Lisa Lutz, Kate White, Michael Koryta, Michael Connelly … oh! I know I’m leaving people off this list. Let’s call it a work in progress.

MT: All of your novels are so different and so alive.  Where do you get inspiration for each novel?

LU: Thank you, Matthew. That means a lot coming from you, such an avid reader and with such great taste. They are alive. With every story, each character lives and breathes in me. My process is deeply subconscious, so I don’t have as much access to how things work as you might think. But inspiration can come from anywhere – a line of poetry, a news story, even, in one case, a piece of junk mail. If that spark ignites something else going on with me – a question I have about people, some deep-rooted fear, something about my life or myself that I’m processing – then I start to hear a voice. I follow that voice – or sometimes voices – through the narrative.

MT: Do you know the twists and turns you will write from the novel’s very first page, or do they come to you?

LU: I don’t! I have no idea day to day who is going to show up in my manuscript, what they are going to do, and I certainly have no idea how a book is going to end.  I write for the same reason that I read. Because I want to know what’s going to happen to the characters living in my head.

MT: What is your writing process like? Are you a morning or evening writer? How many hours do you write a day? How many words do you write on average?

LU: My golden creative hours are around 5am to noon, that time and space where my brain is still in that sleepy, dreamlike phase. I don’t always get that time, because I have a daughter who also likes to get up early. So these days, I wake up and write as early as possible, write until my daughter wakes up, eat with her and get her off to school, then back to writing.  I don’t have a daily page or word count.  But recently, I have been working in three-hour blocks with breaks in between for exercise, eating, errands, etc., saving things like answering email or social media posts for the end of the day. I find that allows me to be the most present and creative when I’m at the keyboard (or notebook!).

MT: Out of all your books, which do you feel is your best? Your favorite? What book would you go back and rewrite if you had a chance, if any?

LU:  My singular goal as a writer is to sit down at my keyboard and be better than I was the day before. So I hope that each novel I write is the best I’ve written. And if that’s the case, then my best book is the one I’m writing right now!

But honestly, it’s impossible to choose.  Each book is special to me, each one the pinnacle of my ability at the time of its writing, and each uniquely connected to what was going on in my life as I wrote it.

If given the chance, I would rewrite every single book I’ve ever written!  A book can only get better with each rewrite.

MT: You frequently write about violence against women, as seen specifically in The Red HunterHow do you feel your writing is important in today’s ever-changing and ever-disruptive political climate?

LU: I believe that readers turn to fiction not just to escape life but to understand it better.  Each story is a slice of life. Readers turn to crime fiction, much as writers do, to order the chaos we perceive in the world. In books, there is a definable beginning, middle, and end. Characters take a journey, hopefully changing for the better. There is, of course, violence and crime. But usually, justice of one form or another is served. Not so in the real world – where crimes often go unpunished, and we often feel out of control.

I do write about violence, dark actions, disturbed people. But I peer into those dark places because I’m looking for the light of understanding. Why do people do what they do to each other? What makes one person a hero, another a villain? What makes one person a victim, another an avenger? How do we face the darkest moments of our lives and find a path to love, forgiveness? Is there redemption after wrong-doing?

I know a lot of writers struggle to understand their relevance when truth is often stranger and more disturbing than fiction. It’s the writer’s job to metabolize the world, our stories reflecting our times, in some rare cases even illuminating or creating meaning with our characters and their journeys. In times of political and social chaos, people turn to story to take a break, to understand, and to order a world that is as unpredictable and changeable as at any time in history.

MT: Which of your books do you feel would make the biggest different socially, politically, etc? Which of your books are you dying for readers to read? Is there one that you feel doesn’t get enough attention?

LU: Each of my novels is deeply personal, and I hope that each has an element that readers either empathize with or connect to on a deeper level. There are threads that run through them all – ideas about family relationships, the twisting, changing nature of identity, truth and lies, what makes us who we are. I know from the mail I receive that I’m connecting with some readers on a very personal level – because these are things with which we all wrestle, questions we all want to answer.

I’ve been fortunate that most of my books have found their audience.  But if I had to pick one that I think doesn’t get enough attention it would be Crazy Love You. Because of the title and cover imagery, it may be mistaken by some as more of a romantic tale. Not that there is anything wrong with romance novels! But this book is no romance. It’s a deep dive into obsession, addiction, and a kind of dark attachment that some people confuse for love. I have a special place in my heart for the disturbed main character Ian, and his childhood friend Priss – who is wild, unpredictable and has a dark, dark past.

MT: In the Blood features a major twist that must have taken a lot of research on your end.  How much research do you put into each book? How much time do you spend pre-writing?

LU:  I am always researching something. I’m a non-fiction junkie, constantly taking in information from books, documentaries, podcasts, text books.  In the Blood was inspired by an article I read in New York Times Magazine about childhood psychopathy. And it was shortly after reading it that I started hearing the voice of Lana Granger.  I didn’t know anything about her when I started writing except that she was a liar. And that she was so deeply veiled that she was almost in a cocoon.  That she’d start the book as one thing, and be something totally different by the end.  The twist was, believe it or not, a huge surprise to me, as well.

Research and learning is a big part of my work and my life. So I spend a great deal of time learning about my subject matter. Or, more often, my work is inspired by a non-fiction topic that is already obsessing me. So, the writing process and research are indivisible for me.

But as important as knowledge is empathy.  I approach all my characters with empathy and compassion. I listen to them. I understand them. And they reveal themselves to me. It’s important to get the facts right, especially in a book like In the Blood. But it’s equally important to treat your characters with respect, to understand and reveal the heart of the story, and to know that – no matter what our secondary differences – we are all the same.

MT: You tend to be fairly prolific.  How do you keep a steady output of books going so frequently, and with such high quality? Do you prefer to write fast or take your time?

LU: Honestly, it is harder for me not to write that it is for me to find time to write. If I go a few days without writing, I feel unmoored. I write most days, and I am happiest that way. As a mom, my daughter always comes first. I try to strictly compartmentalize my time. When I’m working, I’m present for the page.  When I’m with my family, I am present for them.  When I’m in that marketing, social media, speaking, touring space I focus my energy there. It’s the fractured moments, where I try to do too many things at once that I feel the most stressed.

Of course, the lines are always messy and blurred. Time is the most limited resource, and there is a constant juggling act between those parts of myself.  But I am semi-obsessed with the stories that are going in my head. So, I’m always looking for those nooks and crannies to get something down on paper.

Sometimes, I’m in the zone and those pages are flying. Sometimes I stare at the page. And stare. And stare. I am comfortable in both places. In writing, as in all organic processes, there is an ebb and a flow.  So I never feel rushed, or stressed if something is taking too long. It is what it is.

MT: We’re dying to know what sort of book is next! What book do you have up your sleeve this time, and when will it be released?

LU: My next release, entitled Under My Skin, will release in October 2018. The cover reveal should be coming in the next month or two and I’ll be sharing that on social media, of course! I’m not ready to talk about it yet. But suffice it to say that I’ve been obsessed lately with that hazy space between sleep and wakefulness, between our dream and waking lives, and the twist of the past and the present.  Buckle up!

MT: What do you feel your responsibilities or duties are as one of the leading female voices in crime fiction?

LU: My contract with my readers is to be the best possible writer I can be, and to give each book everything I have creatively, every time. It’s my responsibility to care more about the work than I do about its promotion, to treat my readers and characters with respect, and to be true to the type of story I authentically want to tell. But while I am writing, I never really think about how a novel will be received, what kind of discussions or thoughts it might provoke, what its place might be in the world. It is a personal process, and when I write I am utterly alone with the page and what’s happening there.

MT: Thank you so much for speaking with us here at MysteryPeople.  We always look forward to your new books.  You’re welcome back any time!

LU: You are so welcome!  Thank you for reaching out, for your thoughtful questions, and for being such a champion of crime fiction writers, Matthew!

Meike and Matthew Discuss Alafair Burke’s The Wife

Our MysteryPeople contributors Meike and Matthew are huge fans of Alafair Burke and her new novel, The Wife. To celebrate its release they sat down to talk about what from the book stood out to them and asked each other some questions.

Matthew Turbeville: Meike, I adore this book and adore you as well.  What do you think about this book draws in most women immediately (as well as most men)? There’s a lot of aspects of this book that were appealing, what was appealing to you?

Meike Alana: The tagline got me–how far will a wife go to protect the man she loves?  As someone who has been a wife for 25 years, it’s a question I find terribly intriguing.  I think a woman will go only so far for a man, while there is no stopping her if she’s protecting her kids.  So how far will she go?  A lot of books have tackled this issue, but rarely do they get it right–I’m drawn to these in a quest to find the few that do.  And here we have Alafair Burke “locking it down” (you have to read the book to understand that little quote).

Meike:  I also adore you, Matthew–you’re such a breath of fresh air!  What drew you to this book? (Besides being a huge fan of THE Alafair Burke)

Matthew: I was drawn in by Burke’s writing style.  She always seems to keep it fresh.  There was something rejuvenating and very real despite all the horrors “the wife” of the story has to go through.  I remember thinking “I am a slow reader” and then going through multiple chapters at once.  It was amazing.  Just stunning.

Matthew: As a book, what did this mean to you? What did this book mean to you as a woman? What would you say this book is trying to say about women, feminism, and the sacrifices we make to stay alive? (No spoilers!)

Meike: This book is so timely because it does raise the same questions our society is wrestling with right now.  It tackles situations in which historically women weren’t given a voice.  Now they are speaking out, and there are varying degrees to which their messages are communicated and received.  When a woman accuses the husband in the story of sexual abuse, another character points out that we have to give women a voice but we cannot begin to err on the side of blindly believing every story that results.  Having a voice is akin to having power, and I suppose that means there’s always the potential for abuse.

Meike: Now I want to hear your take on this?  What did this book mean to you, and what do you think it is trying to say?

Matthew: As someone who has been raped viciously, and physically, verbally, and mentally abused, I believe very strongly that the moment I finished this book (and felt an immediate need to start over) was like breaking down the Berlin wall only to build something more beautiful in its place.  Maybe that’s my analogy, but in a way this book broke me down gently and gave me hope for surviving again, although its ominous, sort of open-ended ending–is something we’ll have to get to in time.  

Meike: I want to talk a little bit about the characters, particularly the husband.  He seemed like the “perfect” husband–attentive, loving, selfless (not to mention wealthy & handsome).  Yet there was something wrong.  He was portrayed as a controlling, sometimes manipulative schemer when it came to women, yet he was also described as a doting husband who was also a loving father.  Is it possible to be both of these things–to both love a woman and yet also show such disrespect?  Or was one just an act?

Matthew: I think, when you’re an abusive spouse, this is all a part of your persona.  Revealing which parts of you are seen at which times, one’s ability to narrate one’s own life and “control the situation,” treating people in different ways to be controlled–that is just an abusive spouse, and I think the husband in this book is really good at it.  (I’m trying so hard not to give away any spoilers!)

Matthew:  Without including any spoilers, Meike, what did you think of the end of the book? What do you think this said about the relationship between “the husband” and “the wife.”  Another question might be, why do you think this novel was giving such a blunt and pointed title–The Wife?

Meike: You know, in a committed relationship we think we “know” the other person yet we all have those things we keep hidden from everyone else–so we’re kind of kidding ourselves, because we have to know the other person may also be hiding aspects of themselves.  I don’t think we can truly “know” everything about our significant other and I saw that at play here.  Jason and Angela have what seems such an open and trusting relationship, and that begins to unravel when these hidden issues begin to creep into the open.

Matthew:  What do you think was the significance with the child, the wife, and the wife’s past? What did you think of that stellar ending? I know it just stuck with me for days.  

Meike: Oh wow–that whole dynamic was so fantastic and I don’t know if I can say too much about it without any spoilers!  I did wonder throughout the book as to Angela’s original motivation for marrying Jason.  Did she marry him because she loved him?  Or did she marry him because he offered a better home for her child?  I’m sure both were at play, but which was more important? The reader is left to draw his/her own conclusion, but I think the answer is significant in how events play out. As a mother, I will tell you that there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that a mother won’t do to protect her child. And that’s what drew me to want to read this book–loyalty to your spouse is going to have SOME limit, but protecting your child has NO limit, and I wanted to see just how far this wife was willing to go to protect her husband.   I often say you can divorce your spouse but you can’t even conceive of divorcing your kids–that relationship is unbreakable and you will do anything to protect and defend them.

Matthew: Admit it — this seems like the top of Alafair Burke’s game.  Where do we go from here? Do you think there will be more standalone novels with similar characters? What did you think of the lawyer from The Ex showing up in the novel?

Meike: I will gladly read anything she writes from here on out, and I sincerely hope she continues to explore the complexities of the issues that women face.  I love that concept of recurring characters popping up in an author’s novels.  

Meike:  What do you predict or hope for from Ms. Burke?

Matthew: Hopefully something as epic and amazing as this book.  Seems hard to top, but if anyone can do it, it’s Alafair Burke!

Matthew:  What did you think of the different modes and points of views in the novel? Were you able to stay connected throughout? What did you think of “the wife’s” perspective? Didn’t she feel very anti-feminist and a little misogynistic, at least at first? Before things begin to really change?

Meike: I thought the differing POV’s were handled masterfully; those transitions can often be jarring but not here.  I take your point–on some level Angela did seem way too trusting, like a good little wifey.  But she was so dependent on Jason financially and socially; he was the glue that created the “perfect” little family for her son. So I did wonder if she truly in her heart believed him, or if she was kidding herself.  You can’t really blame her for clinging to this image of her husband as the loving spouse and doting father.  

Meike:  How about you?  What were your thoughts?

Matthew: I hate really to harken back to my life while being abused by my significant other, but the one thing I keep coming back to is one of my best friends telling me, again and again, “Matthew, of course you took his side.  Of course you wanted to stay with him.  Of course you wanted to believe everything he said.  You loved him more than anyone else in the world” and, as she said, “Why would the person you love most in this world betray you?”

Matthew: I really loved this book.  More so than most things I’ve read this year.  I’m so glad you loved it too, Meike.  I have many more questions for you, but I suppose we can save this until next time.

Meike: It seems like we both love the same books & authors, so of course I believe you have excellent literary taste.  So can you tell us what else you’re looking forward to reading in the next few months?

MT: I’ll finish my stating some of my favorite upcoming books this year.  Sunburn by Laura Lippman, Dodging and Burning by John Copenhaver, The Favorite Sister by Jessica Knoll, The Disappearing by Lori Roy,  and so many more, including new books by Lori-Rader Day and Lou Berney, plus a great nonfiction selection from Sarah Weinman!

Steven Saylor on writing about history, crime, & more

Steven Saylor’s Ancient Roman detective, Gordianus The Finder, finally takes on the biggest murder of his time in The Throne Of Caesar. He will be discussing it at BookPeople on February 22nd, but our Scott Butki got in some early questions in concerning writing about history and work in the future.

MysteryPeople Scott Butki: Let’s start by talking about how you came up with this seed of an idea that became this novel. You got the idea at a cocktail party with scholars?

Steven Saylor: I was invited to speak to a group of Classical scholars meeting at Baylor—a long way from Rome!—and a professor named James O’Hara, having heard me bemoan the “impossible challenge” of writing a mystery novel around the Ides of March, said to me, “Make it about…X.” In the Author’s Note to The Throne of Caesar, I fill in the blank, but it would be a spoiler to do so here. The point is, I am so lucky to be linked in and to get insights and feedback from some world-class experts on the ancient world. Sometimes all it takes is a single word, as in this case, to get me over the stumbling block and out of the starting blocks.

MPSB: As someone writing about Ancient Rome did you feel you had to write, at some point, about what you call “the most famous murder case in history”?

SS: Once I realized that my first novel Roman Blood (set in 80 B.C.) would become a series, getting to the assassination of Caesar in 44 B.C. seemed a natural goal. It’s such a huge watershed event, a real before/after moment in world history.

MPSB: If anyone thinks they already know how this story will end—it being so famous after all—what would you tell them?

SS: As in most of my novels, there are two plot lines running parallel and simultaneously—the plot on the surface, and the invisible plot. You know how one will turn out, but hopefully the other will give you a surprise.

MPSB: How did you decide how much of Shakespeare to quote in the book?

SS: There’s only one direct homage to the Bard, when a certain character speaks a line lifted directly from Julius Caesar. I reveal the details of that in Author’s Note. It’s a line that works one way in Shakespeare’s play, and a different way in my version, so it’s loaded with irony, and one of many in-jokes sprinkled throughout the book that may amuse history buffs and Shakespeare lovers.

MPSB: Let’s back up now. Why did you start writing novels about Ancient Rome in the first place?

SS: I give a great amount of credit to the sword-and-sandal movies of my childhood, chief among them Cleopatra, written and directed by the great Joseph Mankiewicz. The tale of Caesar, Antony, and Cleopatra became one of the central myths of my imagination. The assassination scene in that movie is pure cinematic genius, unforgettable. I went on to study Classics and history at UT Austin, and then years later had the idea to turn Cicero’s first murder trial into a crime novel; that became Roman Blood. The book found a readership, and I suddenly had a whole career ahead of me.

MPSB: Why did you decide to write erotic thrillers under a different name, Aaron Travis?

SS: That was back in my slacker twenties, which are a bit of a blur now. Hormones ruled my life, and the erotic was my muse. I’ve kept those works available in e-editions for the discerning connoisseur, but I must warn readers that they are not for the faint of heart.

MPSB: When I last interviewed you you said, “I would like to write another historical epic set in Austin some day, about the early days of the Texas Republic.” Is that still on the radar?

SS: Hmmm, off the radar for now, I would say. I have a current project that’s consuming all my research and storytelling. (More about that below.) But every now and then I find myself musing about Mirabeau Lamar and Sam Houston and their competing visions for the Republic of Texas. I still collect books about that period. You never know.

MPSB: As both a graduate of University of Texas and a part-time Austin resident, what are some of your favorite spots around Austin?

SS: My Austin is all about swimming, running, Tex-Mex and BBQ—working up an appetite at Barton Springs, Deep Eddy, Hippie Hollow, the trail around Lady Bird Lake, and the Barton Creek Greenbelt (but not all in the same day!) and then eating at Maudie’s, Green Mesquite, Chuy’s, or The Iron Works. For culture, I love the Blanton Museum; I’m eager to see Ellsworth Kelly’s “Austin” structure. And I still drop in on the occasional lecture on the UT campus.

MPSB: What would readers be most surprised to learn about you?

SS: I’ve been with the same guy for well over forty years now, since Rick and I were both at UT back in 1976. Now we’re legally hitched. Such long marriages are not so common these days. I’m very lucky to have had so much emotional continuity in my life. I’ve also had the same editor and agent since forever. I’m very loyal, I suppose.

MPSB: What are you working on next?

SS: My next novel will be the third volume in my family saga series, to follow Roma and Empire. It’s a big chunk of history, taking the family from the philosopher-emperor Marcus Aurelius and his no-good playboy son Commodus (notorious from the movie Gladiator, though my version will be very different) all the way to Constantine the Great, who made Christianity the state religion. Along the way we meet the sun-worshipping, drag-queen emperor, Elagabalus. His reign was quite short, I’m afraid, but he made quite an impression.

Emma Flint Slays in Little Deaths

It took me a while to read Little Deaths by Emma Flint.  Perhaps because of the time period.  I don’t normally read books that aren’t set in the modern day unless they’re by Laura Lippman or Megan Abbott or other authors I trust frequently.  I am so disappointed—not in this book, which was absolutely stunning, but that I waited so long to read this fantastic novel.  This book, loosely based on a true story, is anything but boring, predictable, or dull.  I did, in fact, read it all in one sitting—one very long sitting, staying up all through the night while my partner constantly asked me to go to bed.  It was that haunting.

Little Deaths, like many of Megan Abbott’s books (or all of Megan Abbott’s books, really, and most of Laura Lippman’s standalones as well) is based on a true story—did a woman actually kill her young son and daughter? From the beginning of the novel, we know that things do not bode well for Ruth Malone, and the novel goes on to chronicle the trial she endures for—and I won’t spoil anything—perhaps murdering her own children.

Stories like these are often complicated.  I come from South Carolina, where Susan Smith drowned her own sons in the ‘90s, when I was still a child.  There are many women who experience or commit several crimes, often enduring post-partum depression or other issues that drive them to a point of madness or simply utter confusion and loss.  Flint manages to portray all sides of the situation with such agility and fierceness that the reader is forced to question everyone, and even sympathize with a would-be, might-be child murderer.

Image result for emma flint little deathsThere are so many things incriminating Flint’s protagonist, this woman who has had her own hard life and now must face an even tougher outcome. Yet the book flows effortlessly, never weighing the reader down too much with too much gravity or sadness, always reminding the consumer that this is the woman’s story, not the child’s story, and that the woman at the center of the book is, in many ways, a victim of the times she lives in and her situation.

I do have one problem with this book, and it may seem juvenile. I wish it was longer, and that is purely for selfish reasons. I did not want this book to end. Little Deaths, a play on words, a play on my heart, is a book I wanted to continue on forever, just so I did not have to part with the characters or, even more frankly, the writer Flint’s beautiful style. She can at once be so matter-of-fact and also lyrical it puts many other authors to shame.

If you don’t trust me in regards to Flint’s stunning novel Little Deaths, then perhaps refer to the numerous nominations and praise it has received, the stunning responses of fans from around the globe who truly love this book.  I rarely close an article by saying this—and yet, with so many great debuts coming out this year, this phrase may become a favorite of mine—I cannot wait to see what Emma Flint produces next.  She is a writer of superb talent that is virtually unmatched by beginner writers, someone who should be revered and read widely.  She is a writer who understands women, various time periods, and all of the emotions and contradictions of the human hearts.

Read Little Deaths.  Read it now.

Laura Lippman: An Interview with One of the Biggest Names in the Industry

Matthew Turbeville: Hi Laura, it’s so nice to have you here with MysteryPeople.  We love your work and are in awe of your newest book, Sunburn.  I know you said it might be your favorite book you’ve written so far—what’s your second favorite, and what’s your least favorite book? Also, what makes these books your favorite or your least favorite?

Laura Lippman: I cringe a little bit thinking about my early work. I think I leaned a little too hard into certain jokes. There’s a recent television show that I’m obsessed with precisely because of that same tendency. (I won’t name it because I know one of the writers on it.) I am who I am. Unlike some other writers I know — Megan Abbott is an obvious example — I wasn’t anywhere close to fully formed when I started publishing, although I was no youngster. But I don’t know how I would have gotten to the books I ended up writing without writing those early books.

My least favorite book is always the book I’m working on, but it’s also my favorite. It’s very much like being a mom.

MT: I’ve loved your books for the longest time.  Can you explain where you got the idea for your first novel, Baltimore Blues, and how it evolved into one of the greatest P.I. series of all time?

LL: I was dating a young lawyer with a horrible boss. One icy November night, my boyfriend was late meeting me and I was worried about him. I called the office — this would have been 8 o’clock or so — and his boss screamed at me. (I found out later my boyfriend was chasing a FedEx truck down the street, trying to make the last delivery of the night.) I later remarked, “One day someone is going to kill your boss and there are going to be so many suspects it will be impossible to solve.”

We began to talk about how this might make a great mystery novel. He saw himself as the lead, the wrongly accused associate, with a female sidekick who helps to prove his innocence. I thought, Well, I’m the writer. I think it should be a story about a young woman who investigates to help her friend.

MT: I know one thing that’s important to you is the rise of women in crime fiction and how important it is that women and other minorities are contributing to this genre.  Who are your favorite women writers—as well as other minorities? How do you suggest we further expand and make room in the genre for other marginalized groups?

LL: I’ve mentioned Megan. My other favorites include Denise Mina, Kate Atkinson’s Jackson Brodie books, Alison Gaylin, Alafair Burke, Lisa Lutz, Attica Locke, Ivy Pochoda. Boy, that’s a really white list, though. And awfully heterosexual, to the best of my knowledge. Crime fiction really needs to have some different voices.

But then, I think we all have to challenge ourselves to read outside our comfort zones. I like to read about people with whom I identify. But by “identify,” I don’t mean race/sexual orientation/age. I like to read about people who are unsure and looking for answers. Probably one reason I became a crime writer.

MT: You’ve won more awards than I can count.  Do you have a favorite award that you’ve won, one that feels more special to you than the rest? I know you tied with Megan Abbott at one point, which seems like an honor on both of your ends.  What author would you give an award to if you had the chance?

LL: Tying with Megan was pretty great. But I have to say, the first award I won, the Edgar, stands out in my memory. It was so early in my career and it made my novel-writing career feel quite different from my newspaper writing career, where the bosses did not see me as someone who could win the field’s top prize.

MT: I love your matter-of-fact storytelling.  You are very to-the-point and no-nonsense, and your prose is really beautiful in its own way.  No one is writing exactly like you.  Where did you get the influence to write this way? What books were important to you, and remain important, in determining the influence of your writing style?

LL: My prose style is probably the result of reading far too many articles aimed at teenage girls trying to make the most of their assets, beauty and style-wise. My prose is not naturally beautiful. It just isn’t. I read enough poetry to know that I don’t write the kind of words that make readers almost startle from the glory of the images and the sounds. But I try to exploit whatever merits are there. It’s funny, I’m answering these questions after a morning of writing a passage about an older woman who absolutely owns her unconventional looks, who compared herself to Diane Vreeland. I think that’s how I feel about my prose. It’s mine, it has a distinctive style. Possibly one that involves in wearing mostly black accessorized with some very good pieces of Bakelite or Ippolita.

And even as I write these words, I kind of regret them. Because we live in this rah-rah branding world where being honest about one’s work isn’t always productive. I know writers who go around, humblebragging about how great they are and I see this become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Their “brand,” if you will.

MT: You often teach classes, or workshops perhaps, involving new and emerging writers.  What is your favorite method of teaching? I know once you mentioned to me that your process is very visual.  Can you describe that?

LL:  I love doing one-on-one manuscript consultations because it’s like the movie version of psychotherapy. People come to me for a two-hour session and some of them, most of them, leave feeling “cured.” I use colored cards to show them a text-free version of their book and all sorts of insights pop out. Balance of POV, the shape of the story. There’s also an aspect of play to it and I think we should never lose sight that storytelling is fun, it’s something we do when we’re children. I had a very large collection of small stuffed animals from the Steiff Co. when I was a child. (I still have them and I am NOT a hoarder, nor particularly sentimental.) I played elaborate games of make-believe with them. And my sister and I played a version of Barbies that was very much influenced by the soap operas my mother liked.

MT: I know you often reference or base your novels on true crime stories.  This is fascinating to me—you take something so real and make it your own, and bring out the beauty in these stories, even in their most horrifying situations.  If you could tackle one true crime in a novel, what would it be?

LL: It’s not a crime, but I wish I knew the mystery of my mother’s father, who was divorced from my grandmother by the time my mother was a year old. There was this terrible silence around the story. My mother waited until her own mother had died to find him and then she declined to have any relationship with him. She has half sisters she’s never met. I don’t think it’s scandalous in any way, just a young marriage that didn’t work out. But it’s interesting to me that, as a family, we tacitly agreed not to speak of it and not to probe it.

MT: What is your favorite crime novel of all time? Are there any books or authors you think are overrated? Are there authors you find yourself returning to again and again?

LL: Can I claim Lolita as a crime story? I know, it’s a stretch, the kind of stretch that I normally hate, but it does play with a lot of the genre conventions. If not Lolita, then Mildred Pierce, which is barely a crime novel at all, although there are some disreputable accounting practices.

There are a lot of authors I think are overrated. I just don’t read them.

MT: I very rarely find that white authors can write about race in a new and “woke” way.  Yet, with you, you’re able to tackle almost any subject with an objectiveness and understanding that is refreshing and encouraging.  How do you go about investigating your novels, and doing research beforehand? What do you think helps you be so objective and thoughtful? How do you feel about other authors who have tackled issues like race, homophobia, sexism—things outside of themselves? Who does it best, and who would you like to see improve?

LL: I’m not going to claim I’m woke. But there’s this interesting conversation right now, in which some white/binary writers want to say, “How dare you suggest there are any limits on the imagination,” when the only thing anyone is suggesting is that writers are going to get called out for doing it poorly. I spent a few moments today wondering if I should describe a character’s weight, or if I was being a bit of a fat-ist, if the detail added something or simply reinforced certain stereotypes. All that said, it’s not for me to say who does it best, just that I’m thinking about it all the time. Sunburn identifies almost no one’s race — Polly, who has the titular sunburn, is clearly Caucasian — and there are actually three African-American characters hidden in the text. I thought that was kind of cool, but the writer Steph Cha politely challenged me when I mentioned it, said perhaps the way to go is to make sure that all skin colors are described. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I’m willing to try and willing to fail. But isn’t that the essence of writing? Isn’t that what we’re supposed to be doing across the board?

I am slightly unusual because, growing up in Baltimore, I was often in the minority growing up. That’s a valuable experience. I encourage people to seek it out.

As for research — I do it as I go. I don’t believe in deep dives beforehand. That’s a form of procrastination I can’t afford, personally. I support myself through my writing. If I don’t publish, I don’t get paid. But even if someone paid me a sum that allowed me to work five years on a book, or I had a freak hit that sent so many royalties my way I never had to worry about money again — I don’t think I would change much. I like to get things right. I like to make stuff up. Once I know what I want to make up, it’s easier to get things right. Does that make sense?

MT: If you could suggest one of your books to President Trump, which would it be? Which of your books would America in general learn the most from?

LL: I would give President Trump the magical book from Seven Day Magic by Edward Eager and hope that he gets stuck in it, as Barnaby almost does, staring into a reflection that shows him his every flaw and defect, for an eternity.

I’m not sure I have anything to teach America, but I think my most overtly sociological novel is No Good Deeds, which is based on the all-too-real premise that it would be really easy to have a conspiracy that’s dependent upon killing young black men, because almost no one would notice or care.

MT: What do you think is the most important piece of advice or mantra an author can live by?

LL: Read well.

MT: How do you stay in the mind of one of your best protagonists, Tess, who is the subject of your Tess series? How have you stayed in her mind for so long? Is it like second-nature now?

LL: Tess and I agree on almost everything, although I think she needs to cultivate impulse control. She is my very satisfactory invisible friend and I am always happy in her company. It helps that we have several shared experiences — newspaper life, motherhood.

MT: I think my favorite book of yours is either Sunburn or After Im Gone.  What inspired After Im Gone? I remember when you announced your idea for Sunburn on social media—I believe you maybe got the idea in the shower? What triggered it?

LL: After I’m Gone was my husband’s idea. He lobbied for years. But I didn’t see my way into it until I flipped it, decided to focus on the women left behind, not the man who left and where he was. For a long time, it was going to center on what happened when the youngest daughter showed up at High Holiday services in a fur she couldn’t possibly afford. Clearly, the book changed a lot.

MT: What advice do you give to new and struggling writers?

LL:  Persevere. It’s hard, I know, in this climate, and it probably seems very easy for me to give such advice. In hindsight, I had a relatively painless passage from unpublished to published. But it never feels easy, I don’t think.

MT: What are you writing next? Our readers are likely dying to know.

LL:  A historical novel, assuming we all agree that 1966 is now in the history books. It’s about a 30-something housewife who leaves her husband, much to everyone’s amazement (including her own) and then decides she wants to be a reporter.

MT: Laura, thank you so much for joining us at MysteryPeople.  It was such an honor and a privilege.  We love your work so much, and especially Sunburn, out February 18.  P.S. I adore you and your work.

LL: Mutual, I’m sure.